Patrick Harpur and Bernardo Kastrup in conversation

Subatomic particles, fairies and finding your God

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Date: 2 September 2025

Duration: 2h 16m

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0:02:10 Introduction to Patrick's lifelong work on the Daimon

0:03:30 What is the Daimon?

0:07:50 Patrick's book: The Philosopher's Secret Fire

0:10:30 Patrick's book on Alchemy

0:13:40 Patrick’s comments on Bernardo's book The Daimon & The Soul of the West

0:18:43 Does Patrick have a Daimon?

0:20:18 The Daimon as a guardian angel

0:22:30 Dissociation after trauma

0:25:23 The two halves of life

0:29:45 Natural self and adaptive self

0:30:40 Free will and determinism

0:39:14 Can our free will defy the Daimon?

0:40:50 "There is no could-have-been"

0:42:30 Patrick's books on the soul and the Daimon

0:45:40 The Daimon as the personal face of God

0:46:23 Bernardo shows Patrick's books

0:47:40 Bernardo's take on Patrick's work

0:50:11 Patrick's writing process

0:53:00 The contradictions in alchemy

0:54:00 Imagination is from another world

0:56:40 Archetypes and Daimons

0:59:40 Can one be possessed by the Daimon?

1:05:40 Daimons from a Jungian perspective

1:07:50 Shadow Daimon / Anima Daimon

1:08:50 Can we say a tsunami is evil?

1:10:30 Hitler's Daimon

1:10:35 Discerning the Daimon from complexes

1:12:55 The myth behind Trump’s fascination for so many people

1:19:30 Are Daimons mediators between the unified field and individualized alters?

1:26:00 Consciousness as more primary than materiality

1:26:15 Discovery of new subatomic particles

1:27:50 Living under the grip of the gods

1:28:40 The consequences of new subatomic particles

1:31:00 We each live in our imagined world

1:33:25 Perception is shaped by imagination

1:34:50 Are subatomic particles Daimons?

1:34:58 Something out there modulates regularities

1:37:00 "What we laughingly call reality"

1:37:22 The epistemology of fairies

1:38:25 Daimons are both subjective and objective

1:39:00 Bernardo in Ireland

1:41:50 How the Buddha died

1:44:07 What is transcendence in our world today?

1:50:00 The soul of things shines through them

1:51:00 What symbols can there be in strict immanence?

1:54:20 Rephrasing the dashboard in a poetic way

1:56:04 Encounters with the Daimon in psychedelic states02:04:55 - Every existent world is the reverse of a black hole

2:09:17 Will Bernardo return to computer science?

2:12:20 Our task is to obtain a God

We started with intense debate: who most deserves the title 'Daimon Expert?' Both Bernardo and Patrick insisted it was each other.

This set the playful and inquisitive tone, marked by mutual respect and a shared passion for the subject: the creative forces of nature that shape our lives.

What most struck me was the invitation to engage with poetry as a way to better see the world.

For Patrick, Bernardo's cockpit metaphor, (our world merely a dashboard appearance), is restrictive. Poetry can cause the soul of things to shine through them. A prosaic cluster of flowers may all at once be seen "as a crowd, a host of dancing Daffodils... ten thousand dancing in the breeze."

Shockingly, this imaginal relationship with reality can conjure up new physics, bridging cosmic math and myth.

We enquired into Free Will, (we had no choice), how Daimons mediate between the human and beyond, and how to discern daimon from addiction - perhaps the very purpose of good therapy.

I would love to hear what most stayed with you from this discussion. Time stamps and the recording are below, in which we also mention:

  • Daimons: angels or ambivalent natural forces?
  • Why Japanese see fairies in Ireland
  • Staying true to yourself
  • The daimonic force of Hitler & Trump
  • Finding your daimon and your god.

Our first conversation with Patrick Harpur transformed how I engage with fairy-tales I have known my whole life, and revived a deeper respect for Western traditions. You can see this previous dialogue here.

Next week we delve further into 'The Western Path' - I look forward to seeing you there!

Amir

I also promised to send a clip from Bernardo about how to know if you are following your daimon. Here it is on youtube. Members can watch the whole meeting this clip is from (ad free) here.

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Patrick Harpur

Bernardo Kastrup considers Patrick amongst the top 3 authors worthy of far more exposure.

Patrick Harpur attended St Catharine's College, Cambridge, to read English, and his writings have appeared in The Guardian, Fortean Times, Gnosis, Resurgence, the New Statesman and the Independent on Sunday. He is often invited to give talks in the UK, in Spain and in America; and he has taught post-graduate students at Schumacher College (Dartington).

As well as several novels, Patrick is the author of 4 non-fiction books including Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld which attempted to make sense of visions and apparitions by recourse to Platonic philosophy, Jungian psychology, and the Romantic notion of imagination. He also wrote The Philosophers' Secret Fire: A History of the Imagination outlined an esoteric Western way of seeing the world which has been largely neglected. In 2010, Rider published the rather ambitiously titled A Complete Guide to the Soul, which appeared a year later in the US as The Secret Tradition of the Soul (Evolver Editions, an imprint of North Atlantic Books). The Stormy Petrel (The Squeeze Press, 2017) is a novel based on the life and work of the Danish thinker Søren Kierkegaard, whose writings have gripped Patrick for years.  

You can read his article on the Daimonic Nature of Reality here

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Bernardo Kastrup

Analytic idealism

Bernardo Kastrup is the Executive Director of Essentia Foundation and Founder/CEO at AI systems company Euclyd BV. His work has set off the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (ontology, philosophy of mind) and another in computer engineering (reconfigurable computing, artificial intelligence).

As a scientist, he has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and the Philips Research Laboratories (where the ‘Casimir Effect’ of Quantum Field Theory was discovered). He has also been creatively active in the high-tech industry for almost 30 years, having founded parallel processor company Silicon Hive (acquired by Intel in 2011) and worked as a technology strategist for the geopolitically significant company ASML. Most recently, he has founded AI company Euclyd BV.

Formulated in detail in many academic papers and books, his ideas have been featured in Scientific American, the magazine of The Institute of Art and Ideas, the Blog of the American Philosophical Association and Big Think, among others. His most defining book is Analytic Idealism in a Nutshell: A straightforward summary of the 21st-century’s only plausible metaphysics.

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